Neither of those posts from those two extremely dim guys had anything to do with the original comment being discussed…then again it appears that neither were you.
Not surprised you would grasp at something like that to ’support’ your latest post which is once again full of stupid irrelevant anecdotes and little to no substance. Perfect approach for you given that you talk in circles and out of your ass. It gives me sincere pleasure

I don’t care what it does for you. I am only telling the truth. You make me laugh. And you continue to do so.

“if udinese had shat the bed in the game against roma, her premise suggests that they would still be deserving of that victory even if roma had outplayed them.”

Yup. Udinese is a good team that has been winning. They deserve to win against a team like Roma that has not. Good teams deserve to win. They have god players. They have a good system. They are successful.

“so, This is the context by which the discussion began. it is pretty clear now that all the rest of the convoluted, tangential talk you’ve put forward has nothing to do with this simple comment and position put forward by johanna”

Actually I have already shown that it has. Success of a good team is merited. A bad team is lucky to win. I have said that over and over. It agrees with everything that Johonna said… and everything I have said. You don’t agree… so what?

“rather than being a prick and taking things out of context for your convenience, why dont you read this within the context it was made – that if you endorse johanna’s position then, “you’d concur that inter dont deserve their first 5-6 victories this season then…or last year’s scudetto for that matter.” just to place this now into the actual conversation”

The context is that you hate Inter. The context you suggest doesn’t make sense, because if one embraces Johonna’s original statement as I have, then Inter deserves to win, because they are in good form. We have won most of our games. That’s how you know we are in good form. YOu don’t think so, not because you understand what we are saying, but because you hate Inter and wouldn’t give them credit no matter what. We know this.

“now the implication in my comment (at least for those that can measure up to rational thought) see this comment not as a follow up to your capitalised comment, meaning if you believe position ‘x’, then statement ‘y’ would suggest this (the inter example). it was used to point out the flaw in that position johanna put forward and for the last time NOT discrediting what ACTUALLY happened.”

The implication is that if I agreed with YOUR version of things, that is if I had been turned by for idiotic… but funny, version on things, I would AGREE WITH YOU that Inter didn’t deserve anything. But I don’t.

And you are still a hypocrite. And you still contradict yourself all over the place. And you are still making me laugh.

Don’t ever change sunshine!!

Btw, talk about selective editing:

KJ | October 27th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

lamagica, you are a pariah of theoffside…please stay @ the roma page where your fellow idiots talk about what factor lost the game for them. trust me, there is alot of info to discuss

Gianfranco | October 27th, 2008 at 11:47 am

Didnt deserve the scudetto Lamagica, and I am sure your boys did. No one ever deserves a title, there is not sense of entitlement to championships, you WIN/EARN a title and it doesnt matter how you get to the end, it only matters to be on top when you get there. Do you as a Roma fan really feel you “deserved” the title, what makes you think some other two bit club didnt deserve it!? It is INSANE to even read this stuff!!!! Then you talk about calls!? Come on man…

Looks like people who follow other teams don’t buy your bull shit!

I gotta question for you all, Stan Collymore said on Setanta’s football show during the week that if you want to win a league youve got to have quality up the middle, ie. Quality main striker, quality main central midfielder, Quality main central defender and quality GK.

I was wondering, based on this equation, how does everyone rate the top clubs, lets say Milan, Inter, Juve, Roma, Fiorentina and Napoli. Im going to do my own write up of this on my own blog but was interested to hear what you all thought.

Johonna | October 25th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

As much as I would like to see Udinese beat Roma (and I really really REALLY would), I will be rooting for a draw. Udinese dont need three more points and Roma doesnt deserve them.

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Samson | October 25th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

Roma does not deserve the win? was the game played yesterday or something? Johonna that was a true brainfart buttercup.
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Johonna | October 25th, 2008 at 11:30 pm

No brainfart.
Udinese have been playing stupendous football. It has been fun to watch and very successful. Roma have not. Roma fans complain about small budgets… Well try being Udinese. I think they are a great team with great players, hence, I believe they deserve to win… in a cosmic sense.
Besides, shouldn’t this be the one place on the Offside where it is appropriate to voice this opinion?
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lamagica | October 26th, 2008 at 7:39 am

hmmm, that’s a new concept. teams ‘deserve’ to win based on games played against other teams rather than against the opponent in question. i guess juve didnt ‘deserve’ to win against torino yesterday even though they outplayed torino. yes, brilliant concept…. for the confused.
good luck to udinese today. a solid, hard-working team whom i’ve always respected. also, good write-up, vin.
forza roma.
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so, This is the context by which the discussion began. it is pretty clear now that all the rest of the convoluted, tangential talk you’ve put forward has nothing to do with this simple comment and position put forward by johanna. udinese ‘deserved’ to win based only on previous merit AGAInST DIFFERENT OPPOSITION. if udinese had shat the bed in the game against roma, her premise suggests that they would still be deserving of that victory even if roma had outplayed them. (to quote: “I think they are a great team with great players, hence, I believe they deserve to win… in a cosmic sense”. a ‘cosmic sense’….that is the criteria by which you say “Doesn’t sound too confusing to me.”

rather than being a prick and taking things out of context for your convenience, why dont you read this within the context it was made – that if you endorse johanna’s position then, “you’d concur that inter dont deserve their first 5-6 victories this season then…or last year’s scudetto for that matter.” just to place this now into the actual conversation (important point capitalised for your comprehension):

MAD | October 26th, 2008 at 9:04 am

Not new at all. IF YOU ARE IN BAD FORM, YOU DESERVE TO LOSE. That’s what you get for bad form.
Udinese has been playing great, they represent sane football management for clubs not the big 3.
They deserve a spot in the upper half (or upper five as the case may be) more than a team that has shat away all its opportunities thus far in the season.
Doesn’t sound too confusing to me.
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lamagica | October 26th, 2008 at 11:08 am

yeah, mad, then you’d concur that inter dont deserve their first 5-6 victories this season then…or last year’s scudetto for that matter. now it makes MUCH more sense.
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now the implication in my comment (at least for those that can measure up to rational thought) see this comment not as a follow up to your capitalised comment, meaning if you believe position ‘x’, then statement ‘y’ would suggest this (the inter example). it was used to point out the flaw in that position johanna put forward and for the last time NOT discrediting what ACTUALLY happened.

maybe a little less of you tired anecdotes on ‘poking with a stick’, ‘you make me laugh’, etc. and maybe a little more thought and reasoning would serve you better. i’m not really sure why you insist with that shit. it is doing nothing to me. it may have worked for you when you were in the 7th grade and getting your ass kicked by third graders but it’s time you got past those insecurities.

I haven’t said anything “nasty”. Just the truth. Your only function here is as my joke.

Btw, here is Johonna’s original post. I included everything just for shit’s and giggles:

Johonna | October 25th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
No brainfart.
Udinese have been playing stupendous football. It has been fun to watch and very successful. Roma have not. Roma fans complain about small budgets… Well try being Udinese. I think they are a great team with great players, hence, I believe they deserve to win… in a cosmic sense.
Besides, shouldn’t this be the one place on the Offside where it is appropriate to voice this opinion?”

Here’s what you said that she said:

“i was pointing out that the premise that johanna posted – a team doesnt deserve to win CURRENT games, even if they outplay their opposition, because of bad games played IN THE PAST – is a rediculous notion”

Doesn’t quite look the same does it. She makes a simple statement, that happens to have a lot of truth in it and you go nuts on it because she dared speak against the RomaLosers. Btw, she was completely right.

God that was funny…

Udinese was WINNING, playing great, attractive football on a small budget. Roma, was LOSING despite a much bigger budget. Doesn’t sound “rediculous” [sic] to me.

“you barged into the conversation defending a fellow interista blindly”

Just for the record, here’s my “barging” in:

MAD | October 26th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Not new at all. If you are in bad form, you deserve to lose. That’s what you get for bad form.
Udinese has been playing great, they represent sane football management for clubs not the big 3.
They deserve a spot in the upper half (or upper five as the case may be) more than a team that has shat away all its opportunities thus far in the season.

Doesn’t sound too confusing to me. I agree/d with her and I still do.

But the really funny part id the way that you keep treating your own opinions like gospel. I don’t care whether or not you agree with me, but goddam is it fun poking you with a “stick” to make you respond.

And the best part is that you keep getting the arguments wrong. After all this time, you still have no idea what Johonna or I were saying. The proof is just above here. It’s great.

That was my first post in all this. Losing teams are in bad form. Good teams win, and you know they are good teams because they win. I repeat it here:

“If Udinese’s form has been good then they deserve to beat a team that has stunk up the joint, like Roma has. I have no problems with that. All that tells us is that a good team has beaten a bad team, which means that the result is expected. And probably earned.”

Simple. Oh, by the way… it’s also exactly what happened!

“inter would not be ‘deserving’ of having won any of their games in the last 1/3 of the season and ultimately the scudetto because of their poor play”

First of all, a team can’t be playing poorly if they win over time, in my opinion. Here’s Inter form in the last third of last season (11 games) : WDLDWWWWLDW.

So our poor form and “collapse” was 6 wins 3 draws and 2 losses? This is poor form? I disagree.

Quick, who am I: 2 wins, 1 draw and 6 losses? This is poor form. Note the losses.

And just because it’s too, too much fun:

Here’s statement 1: “sorry, but i never said anything about inter not deserving to win.”

Here’s statement 2: “if they win and outplay a team it’ a deserved win”

Here’s statement 3: “yeah, mad, then you’d concur that inter dont deserve their first 5-6 victories this season then…or last year’s scudetto for that matter.”

For the record… I didn’t/don’t AGREE with you that Inter don’t deserve their wins and honors.

See, you did say it. And you did contradict yourself. And you are a hypocrite.

You implied that Inter lacked ambition in the 80’s and 90’s, which isnt true. We weren’t as successful as now, but the goals were always the same.

Im not arguing in defence Roma.

And as an Inter fan I know all too well our “plans” have only recently come to fruition. However, we have never lacked ambition and have always aimed for the big trophies, successful or not.

Milan want to cash in on celebrity because they need to completely overhaul their ageing squad and dont have the means to do so.

Ok, now come on lad. You have won 3 tittles recently. These are recent plans that have just recently been fullfiled. You werent excactly dominant in the late 80’s and throughout the 90’s (when Messi was actualy living and breathing)

Even though i hate Inter, i would much rather see him (Messi) play for you guys, it would be great for Calcio, as long as he does not arrive when he is 30+. We kinda have a reputation for creating a old folks home in Serie A.

I am a realist, Messi + Roma = Pipedream. Never gonna happen.